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A Message from Kent Hovind

Thank you for your
excellent magazine! I have
been a long time supporter of and advertiser in it and recommend it to
all.
With that said, I must object to an article in your Winter
2013 issue:
"Creation Day 2" by Paul Taylor. In this article Mr. Taylor
objects to the teaching of a canopy above the atmosphere in the
original
creation.
I don't recall ever having met Mr. Taylor but when I was
given my
"extended vacation" by the feds (for some illegal, bogus and hotly
contested reasons you can read about on www.2peter3.com if you wish) I
asked my
son Eric to manage the Creation Science Evangelism (CSE) Ministry in
Pensacola,
Florida until my return. Within a year he began a new
ministry called
Creation Today. Soon thereafter he hired Paul Taylor to come
from England
and join his team and they have been doing a great job of spreading the
creation message.
I in no way wish to hinder anyone's outreach for the Lord or
harm their
reputation or hurt anyone's feelings but I also cannot sit silently
after reading
the many errors in that article! These errors and the flawed
premise they
are based on may not only cast doubt in the minds of your readers about
what I
believe and teach on other issues, since I teach about the canopy in
Seminar
#2, they may also adversely affect my son's thinking (and your readers)
on two
critical topics as I will explain below.
I try to be constantly alert for false doctrine. I
understand it
can come from ANY source- even within myself- and it spreads quickly
like a
virus and can infect healthy organisms if not stopped and treated in
time. After all the years and money I invested in my son and
the creation
ministry in Pensacola I've got to stay vigilant as God gives me
strength and
insight to be sure it is not undermined or derailed in my
absence. I have
paid a HIGH price for my convictions and won't let anyone destroy them
now. Jesus rebuked Peter (Mt. 16:23) when he taught something
wrong. Peter seems to have received the rebuke and
correction. I
pray Paul and Eric will receive mine. Nehemiah had to set a
few things
right after his extended absence (Neh. 13). So did the Apostle Paul (I
Cor.
11:34).
In the article Paul explains some problems with a canopy
model that I
don't think anyone believes or promotes today-I don't. He is
right that
20 inches of water above the atmosphere would not be enough to flood
the
world. I sure never said it would. Beating up a "straw man"
image you set up does NOT mean you have beaten the real man.
His article starts with a false dichotomy when he says, "What
I am
about to suggest to you may be argumentative to some while others will
wholeheartedly agree with my research." Obviously this type
of
statement gives two false choices and makes it look like you either:
A-argue
with him or B. agree with his "research." As if those who may
disagree with him do not also do research. The obvious third
option is
that his "research" has led him to the wrong conclusion or the forth
option is that he researched the wrong canopy model or a fifth option
that he
was using the wrong Bible to study this topic. It is rather
like the
Russians who first circled the moon and concluded there was no God
since they
didn't see Him out there during their "research." Ah...not
good
logic fellas!
So, I will address 3 points:
1-Which Bible should we use to determine ANY doctrine including the
canopy?
2- The problems with Paul's article.
3- The canopy theory I teach.
1- Which Bible?
I fully agree with Paul when he says that "No opinion on it
(the
canopy) should be elevated to the status of biblical
inerrancy." He
also says, "God's Word is unchangeable and never up for
review." I actually REALLY believe that but from his frequent
use of
other versions and his criticism of the King James I don't think he
really
does. I would love for him to send me a copy of what he will stand by
as
"God's Word" which is "unchangeable" since the one he
quotes from for the article has THOUSANDS of changes from the one I use
and the
one the church has used for over 400 years.
For example: Let's look at Genesis 1:1 where we can't even
read 7 WORDS
without spotting a "change" in God's "unchangeable"
Word. The change I will point out is critical to lay the
simple
foundation for a discussion of the "canopy theory" in part 3 so bear
with me please.
Moses (1,400 BC) collected and edited Genesis from 10
eyewitness accounts
(see seminar #7) and then wrote the next 4 books Ex.-Dt. The
Jews then
CAREFULLY copied it thousands of times and spread it to all their
synagogues. They were concerned with every "jot and tittle"
(Mt. 5:18) as they copied. They also wrote scores of
commentaries about
the Torah. Let's see if the copies were kept pure and
"unchanged" in just Genesis 1:1.
Genesis 1:1 in the Jewish Torah (OT) says, "In the beginning
God created
the heaven..." Hmmm? Heaven is in the singular and
has been
for 3,400 years in Jewish literature as well as the thousands of copies
scattered around the world.
Early English translations of Genesis 1:1.
1384 John Wycliffe- "In the bigynnyng God made out of nouyt heuene and
erthe." Heaven is Singular.
1525 William Tyndale- "In the begynnynge God created heauen and
erth." Singular
1535 Miles Coverdale- "In ye begynnynge God created heauen &
earth." Singular
1537 Matthew Bible- "In the beginnyng God created heauen and erth."
Singular
1539 Taverner Bible- " In the begynnynge created God heuen and erth."
Singular
1540 Great Bible- "In the begynnynge God created heuen and earthe."
Singular. Gen. 2:1 The heauens also ...plural
1568 Bishops Bible- Gen 2:1- "The heavens also the earth were
finished..." Plural in 2:1
1579, 1599, 1606, 1611 Geneva Bible- heaven singular in 1:1 and heavens
plural
in 2:1
1587 Geneva Bible- " the heauen " Singular
1609 Doway Bible- 2:1 "The heavens therfore ..." plural
1611 King James Bible- "In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth." Singular
1750 Challoner DRV Bible- "...created the heaven " Singular
heavens plural in 2:1
1885 English Revised "...created the heaven " Singular
1886 Parallel RV/AV "...created the heaven...." Singular in both
columns and plural for 2:1
1895 and 1898 English Revised "...created the heaven..." Both have
Singular
French-
1555 1:1 Diev crea au commencemet le ciel & la terra. Singular-
Les
cieux... Plural in 2:1
1561 1:1 ...le ciel & la terra." singular, Les cieux donc...
plural in
2:1
1562 1:1 ...le ciel- singular. 2:1 Les cieux donc... plural
1956 1:1 Au commencement, Dieu crea le ciel et la terre. Singular (La
Sainte
Bible Tranduite en Francais sous la direction de L'ecole Biblique de
Jerusalem.)
German-
1535 Gen. 1:1 "Amanfang schuff Gott Himel und Erden." Singular
1540 Dietenberger Bible- hymmel- singular
1556 Himel- singular
1591 Himmel- singular
1599 Luther Bible- Hemmel- singular
The FIRST "bible" I can find that uses "heavens"
plural in 1:1 is the 1553 Spanish "Inquisition Approved Old
Testament" -"En Principio crio el dio alos cielos y ala
tierra." Plural. Catholic Spanish Inquisition...
Hmmm? Satan
plans lo-o-o-o-ong term!
The first English one I can find that says heavens -plural-
in Gen. 1:1
is the 1901 American Standard Version (ASV) which was based on the
recently
completed perversion of the Bible by two British cultists (and Darwin
admirers)
named Westcott and Hort in 1881. They chose the manuscript
found in the
Vatican basement in 1481 (on leather in "EXCELLENT SHAPE") as the
basis for their text in spite of the fact that it did NOT have: the
first 45
1/2 chapters of Genesis, Psalms 106-138, I & II Tim. and Titus,
nearly 5
chapters from Hebrews and all of Revelation. It was also
missing numerous
individual verses and had thousands of individual word
changes. It had
been rejected as corrupt by most scholars.
They filled in the missing chapters from 2 even MORE corrupt
Egyptian
texts and ignored the reading in over 5,000 ancient texts because they
didn't
fit their theology! Since those two evil men resurrected and
synthesized
the 3 corrupt Alexandrian manuscripts and published it in 1881 there
have been
nearly 1,000 English translations of this altered and perverted text.
NIV,
NKJV, etc. There are SCORES of great books on the King James
controversy for
those who wish to look further. I know full well that some
don't WANT to
"look further" into this issue because they LIKE the freedom to alter
God's "unchangeable Words" if need be and they LIKE the feeling of
power and prestige they get when people have to come to THEM to know
what the
Word REALLY says on a topic. But, IF you are honest and
seeking truth see
www.chick.com & www.avpublications.com for starters or my
Seminar Part 7.
ALL new Bible (per)versions I have seen after 1901 including
the
"New King James" Paul quotes in his article have "heavens"
in the plural in verse 1. Hmmm? I can't even read 7 WORDS
into the Bible
without finding that somebody changed the "unchangeable"
Word!
This is NOT a minor point! (I used to think it was) Which Bible you
BASE your
theology and SCIENCE on reflects on scores of things later, including
the
"canopy theory" as we will see. Just that one letter
"s" changing singular to plural totally changes the meaning.
Satan took just three words- "God hath said..." and only
changed the ORDER to "Hath God said...?" and fooled Eve in a PERFECT
world! ALL the new "bibles" I have seen (even NKJV) change
ONE
LETTER in Rev. 13:16 and 14:9 from saying the mark of the beast goes
"IN
the hand" to make it say "ON the hand." Ya think Satan
will use THAT to fool folks into getting "micro-chipped" soon?
LITTLE details like a small "O" ring on the space shuttle can
make a BIG difference! Ask NASA!
Jesus said "netS" and Peter left off the "s." See Lk.
5:4-5
Ya'll can do what you want, and you will, but I'm not going
to sit by and
let ANYONE change ONE letter in my Bible. Satan is too slick
and he can
even get good, godly, sweet, mild-mannered, kind, intelligent men who
"love the Lord" to work for him. He did it with
Peter.
Even if NO other creation ministries want to take a stand on the Bible
version
issue I WILL! Any ministry I have will not only "defend the
Bible
from the very first verse" but will be able to hand you a copy of it.
"Heaven" is SINGULAR in Gen. 1:1 in the REAL unchangeable
Word
of God and THAT is a beginning point for discussing the
canopy.
"Heaven" is used 7 times in Gen. 1 in the KJB.
Genesis 2:1 in nearly ALL versions I have seen including KJB
have
"heavens" in the plural so the translators listed above who used
"heaven" singular in Genesis 1:1 certainly KNEW the difference
between singular and plural. Why did they ALL choose the
singular?
Were they stupid? Were they waiting for a "modern scholar" to
show them the truth and the light? OR, did someone change it?
If God's Word is "unchangeable" how did it change from
singular
to plural found only in a few corrupt Catholic versions?
Which is
right? Before we get into a discussion or debate about God's
Word and
what it means on ANY topic (including the canopy) we must first be sure
we are
all on the same page and talking about the same Bible!
In my Seminar Part 4, I explain the importance of defining
the slippery
word "evolution" BEFORE proceeding with the discussion. It is
ESSENTIAL to define terms in a discussion or debate. Do WE
have authority
over the Word of God or does IT have authority over us? Do I
need some
guru to tell me what the Word REALLY says or can I just read it on my
own and
not be misled? To discuss or debate the canopy only to have
the opponent
say, "What this verse really means..." is like trying to nail Jell-O
to the wall!
For about 28 years of my Christian life I used, promoted and
defended
many of the new "Bible" versions. I have a huge collection of
them at home. About 15 years ago I devoted hundreds of hours
to the study
and I was forced by the overwhelming evidence to agree with millions of
other
Christians before me that God preserved His very Words (as He promised
in Ps.
12:6-7) for the English speaking world in the King James. So,
I agree
with Paul that God's Word is "never up for review" but I take it
further and can actually hand you a copy of God's Word. I
don't think
Paul or any of those who use other modern versions can do
that. I know
that some like the feeling of being superior to the Word when they say,
"What this really means in the Hebrew (or Greek) ..." The
Pharisees loved the greetings in the marketplace and to be called
Rabbi... Mt
23:2-7
These new Bible versions are always "correcting" the KJB and
will hinder people from simply trusting God's Word and His ability to
preserve
it for us today. They even change Ps. 12:6-7 where God
promised to
preserve HIS WORDS! Hmmm?
Problems with Paul Taylor's article on the Canopy Theory.
1. I already mentioned the false dichotomy Paul creates in the first
sentence
of his article. If I find a problem with one of the old
canopy models
does that proves them all wrong? Does one flat tire prove
tires don't
work?
2. PT- "The Canopy Theory is an honorable attempt to interpret
Scripture
correctly and also to account for the waters of the flood." p. 22.
KH- I agree that the canopy theory is an honorable attempt to interpret
scripture and, as we will see in part 3 of my answer, is still very
likely the
correct way to interpret it but the canopy water/ice probably
contributed VERY
little to the flood. Most creationists believe and teach the
flood waters
came from inside the earth when the fountains of the deep (Gen. 7:11;
8:2; Job
38:8, 16; Ps. 24:1; 33:7 133:6; Pr 8:28) broke open.
3. "The basis of the Canopy Theory is that the firmament represents
earth's atmosphere."
KH- I AGREE on this one. No scripture is to be interpreted
privately (II
Pt. 1:20) and Gen. 1:20 tells us clearly that the "fowl (birds) that
may
fly ABOVE the earth IN the open firmament of heaven." That
would be
clear biblical evidence that the "firmament" is the atmosphere we are
breathing now and the birds fly in.
4. "It is thought that this canopy could have been the source, or at
least
a source, for the waters of the Flood. The Flood would have been
initiated,
therefore, by the collapse of this canopy." p. 23
KH- NO! This is but another example of why we need to settle on the
Word of God
first! The KJB clearly says "the fountains of the great deep"
broke up FIRST and THEN "the windows of heaven were opened." Gen.
7:11. The Canopy collapsing did NOT initiate the flood. The
breaking open
of the great deep did. This may have triggered the collapse
of the canopy
however.
5. "the pre-Flood canopy would have caused conditions of environment
and
weather before the Flood to be very different from those of today."
KH- I AGREE! It is obvious to all, creationists and
evolutionists alike,
that the earth was VERY different in the past. Giant Red Wood
tree stumps
are found in the arctic circle. Coal (from trees) is found near the
South
Pole. The Sahara was a forest at one time. HUGE
animals and insects
of nearly all kinds are found as fossils. They could not grow
that large
today. Some argue about WHEN it was different with evolutionists
claiming it
was during the mythical "Jurassic" period but all agree it was
different. Nearly all Young Earth Creationists agree these
giant animals
including dinosaurs lived before the flood and maybe even after the
flood for a
while with smaller specimens possibly alive today! See
Seminar Part 2.
6. "My rejection of their support for the Canopy Theory is merely an
indication that our understanding moves on." p. 24
KH- WOW! "My rejection" and "our
understanding". Hmmm? Would that imply that if
anyone still
believes there was a canopy they lack understanding enough to move
on? I
sort of resent that insinuation!
7. "In 1976 Morris was satisfied that such a vapor canopy would provide
the water required for the Flood." p. 24
KH- As I recall Dr. Morris always taught that flood waters came from
inside the
earth and only part of it from the canopy. Even so-
1976? Our understanding
moves on. The purpose of the canopy was not to be a source of
water to
later flood the world but to provide perfect living
conditions. If Dr.
Morris had a wrong idea about the size of the canopy that doesn't prove
the
entire idea wrong. Edison had about 1,000 FAILED attempts to
make a light
bulb. Does that prove it can't be done or that the theory
needs
tweaked. Let me turn on my light to study this one!
Don't throw out
the baby with the bath water.
8. "Some creationists, however, have suggested a canopy of
ice. Carl
Baugh, for example, suggests a crystalline canopy. In this
theory, the
ice would be made either of ice crystals or of a solid,
metallic-hydrogen
lattice, suspended above the earth by magnetic levitation.
This specific
crystalline canopy has particular problems. Magnetic
levitation would not
work on molecules like water or hydrogen..."
KH. Are you sure magnetic levitation won't work on super cold
ice? You
may want to follow the latest research on that. Visit
www.creationevidence.org
; Dr. Baugh- 254-897-3200 to see scores of articles that disagree with
this
statement. More about that in part 3 below.
9. "a solid lattice of ice would make it difficult or impossible to see
the stars." p. 25
KH. What? Who says? Does a "solid lattice" of
melted sand
(i.e. glass) make it impossible to see the stars? NO! Glass
is used for
lenses to ENHANCE our vision of the stars. Telescopes and
microscopes use
lenses and mirrors to great effect. An ice canopy that
compressed the
atmosphere to say, 10 miles rather than the current 60+, would
eliminate most
atmospheric distortion (twinkle) as well. Under a solid clear
crystalline
canopy the pre-flood people would see the stars even more clearly than
we can
today!
10. "Finally, hydrogen can exhibit metallic properties only
under
extreme conditions of high pressure and temperatures near absolute
zero."
KH- And? Outer space IS near absolute zero, +3K or -170 C or
-
456+F. A canopy of ice in contact with outer space would act
like an
Eskimo's igloo. He can build a fire inside and not melt the
ice roof
because it conducts heat to the frigid outside. You can also
boil water
in a paper cup because of the same effect. Maybe the canopy
provided a
way to transfer heat and prevent "global warming" or the
"greenhouse effect" some seem so worried about a canopy producing?
11. "Canopy theorists have also claimed that the giant insects seen in
the
fossil record would not have been able to breathe without increased
oxygen
partial pressure. Again, this position can be shown to not be
the
case."
KH- OK, I'd like to see where it has been "shown not to be the
case." I'd also like Paul's explanation for the giant
insects.
They did live on earth once and they don't now. He offers no
explanation. Giant insects have a surface area to volume
problem
explained in Part 3 below.
12. "increased oxygen partial pressure can actually be shown to have a
deleterious effect on longevity of humans."
KH- I'm gonna have to see proof of that! Hundreds if not
thousands of
hospitals and sports teams use hyperbaric chambers every day where
people get
100% oxygen at triple pressure with GREAT results. I've done
it. It
is true that over 35% oxygen can be bad long term but 1.5 ATM and
25-30% oxygen
has GREAT positive effects and no "deleterious effect" on humans or
animals or plants. No one knows what pressure and % oxygen
the pre-flood
world had but I would bet God made it "just right" since God Himself
pronounced it "very good" when He was done. (in the KJB- I didn't and
won't check all the others on that one.)
13. "it has been suggested that the longevity of humans before the
flood
was due to greater atmospheric pressure. However, a better
explanation of
this longevity is the comparative absence of mutations among the human
gene
pool. The level of mutations would have greatly increased
after the
Flood; so, this could explain the rapid decrease in longevity."
KH- What?? I have never heard that one suggested by anyone
nor do I think
the sudden drop from 912 avg to 70-80 within a short time can be
explained by
mutations! That's quite a stretch! Noah lived to be
950 and Shem
lived to 600. How would Shem inherit a mutation that made him
live 35%
less than his dad since Shem was conceived and born 100 years BEFORE
the flood?
Noah lived 350 years AFTER the flood. Did this same mythical
mutation
problem affect all the animals and plants since they are all smaller
now
too? I'd like to see the evidence for that claim!
14. "any vapor canopy would trap heat from the sun, leading to
increased
temperatures at earth's surface." p. 25
KH- And??? What is the problem here? It's -10F wind
chill outside
in NH right now as I write this. I'd LOVE an increase in
temperature! A LARGE % of earth's surface is too cold to
raise crops or
support any significant # of humans today due to the cold.
Antarctica is
bigger than America I believe and NOBODY can live there without LOTS of
outside
support. Estimates are that 3% of the earth is habitable
today yet the
Bible says God "formed it to be inhabited." Is. 45:18. SOMETHING must
have changed since then. An increase in temperature with a
system to keep
the temperature evenly distributed worldwide would lead to the earth
being
habitable from pole to pole. Sounds good to me! No
one has demonstrated
that a canopy would create a serious temperature problem at the
surface.
See #10 above.
15. "A better model for how the Flood began is the Catastrophic Plate
Tectonics model, which shows that the major source of water would
probably have
been the mantle." p. 26
KH- I MAY agree with him on this one if I heard his details but that
would NOT
mean there wasn't a canopy as well.
16. "Dr. Russell Humphreys has suggested a cosmology based on the
stretching of space. In this cosmology, Humphreys has
suggested that the
firmament, which divides the waters above from the waters below, in
Genesis
1:6-8, represents the stretching universe. ... a side effect of this
theory is
that the waters above would therefore be beyond the stars.."
KH- Ps. 148:4 says "the waters THAT BE above the heavens."
Based on that verse I believe the entire universe we see is inside a
water
canopy right now. That would not negate the idea that there
was also one
over the first heaven as we will cover in part 3. The birds
fly in the
firmament (KJB). That means it is the air not the
stretching. I do
agree the heavens have been or are being stretched. The Bible
says they
are at least 11 times.
17. "Second, some have pointed to birds flying in the canopy, as
pointing
to the canopy being at the edge of the atmosphere. However,
if the canopy
were at the edge of the universe, this position would not contradict
this verse
(Genesis 1:20). Moreover, the Hebrew version actually talks
about the
"face of the firmament."
KH- First the Bible says the birds fly in the firmament NOT the
canopy.
The waters were ABOVE the firmament where the birds fly. This
is why
point 1 about which Bible to use must be agreed on first! The
Bible does
NOT say the birds fly in the "face of the firmament." We
don't
need any Hebrew or helper to understand exactly what it says.
Birds fly
in the firmament. Gen. 1:20.
18. "Some versions, such as the NKJV, refer to this statement: 'let
birds
fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.'
So, the
birds are not actually in the firmament but flying across the face of
it."
KH- Do you see why I had to make point #1 first!
ERIC! Please DON'T
fall for any of this! This is why I have been harping for 15
years now
that we must first find God's Words BEFORE we can claim we are
defending
them! Defending WHAT EXACTLY? Is it heaven or
heavens? I
found God's exact Words! I had them all along but it was
various
"Bible scholars" and Bible correctors that made me doubt for 28
years! After spending hundreds of hours studying the Bible
version issue
it was such a relief when I FINALLY got through that jungle of
wondering
"what the Bible REALLY meant." I remember sitting on my bed
with my Bible in hand and saying, "This is it! I'm holding
God's
Words." I got down on my knees and told God I was sorry for
doubting
His ability to preserve His Words and I thanked Him for letting me have
a
copy! I pray you and Paul come to that point one day soon.
Nehemiah 8:8 has the right sequence. A. Read the Word as it
is. B.
Explain it all you want. C. Help the people
understand. DON'T
change the Words and THEN explain your new version of them!
19. "Scriptural analysis and modern scientific understandings both show
that the canopy model is not necessary." p. 27
KH- WHAT? You sure didn't do that in this article!
You never did
explain the giant insects or long life spans. You never did
give a model
to explain red wood trees in the arctic or coal at the South
Pole. I'd
sure be willing to examine any theories you put forth but please don't
think
you "demolished the canopy theory" with this post.
20. "It seems today that the effects, for which the Canopy Theory was
developed to explain, are actually better explained by other means."
KH- Such as??? Paul is right that some older models of the
canopy theory
have serious flaws and are most likely unworkable but don't be too
hasty
here! After 1,000 failures at making a light bulb Tom knew
1,000 ways
that didn't work so he knew he must be closer to finding the right
way!
Hmmm? Go Tom! Ditto the canopy.
In part 3 of this way to long response I will present what I teach
about the
canopy.
THE ORIGINAL CREATION-HOVIND'S CANOPY THEORY
What was the original creation like? Why did they live 900+
years before
the flood (Gen. 5)? Where do dinosaurs fit in? Why
don't we live to
be 900?
Let's look at the facts from Scripture, Science and History and see if
we can
make a reasonable theory to explain it all. This is indeed a theory and
subject
to change as new data is obtained. The Bible is not subject
to change.
BIBLE FACTS:
Genesis 1:6-7, "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the
midst
of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made
the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament
from the
waters which were above the firmament: and it was so."
We see from this passage that this "firmament" -whatever that
is, divides the waters. Some water is UNDER it and other
water is ABOVE
it. The Bible normally interprets itself if you keep reading
so let’s
look at the next time the firmament is mentioned.
Genesis 1:20 "...and fowl that may fly above the earth in the
open
firmament of heaven." Here we learn that the birds fly in
it.
That would mean it must be the air. We also see that the
firmament is
called heaven. Water ABOVE the air? Hmmm?
Genesis 1:1 told us God created the
heaven-singular. Now, starting
in verse 6-7 He is starting to divide it up into
heavens-plural. It would
be WRONG to say there were heavens -plural- in verse 1. The
Bible does
NOT tell us how MUCH water was above the firmament nor does it tell us
if it
was solid, liquid or gas nor does it tell us what held it up nor does
us tell
us WHY God put it there. It DOES tell us there WAS water
ABOVE the
firmament. I may never be able to UNDERSTAND all the details
but the
Bible says it was there. Case closed for me.
Gen. 1:14-18 says stars are in the heavens. Psalm
148:4 says
"ye waters THAT BE above the heavens." David wrote this about
1,000 B.C. so there must STILL be water beyond the stars.
1. The Bible says there was water above the firmament (not across the
face of
it as some bible perversions say). Above means--are you
ready?-- above.
2. The word "firmament" is used 9 times in Genesis 1! I think
God is trying to get our attention to study that word! It is
used 17
times in the Bible. (THAT #17 is a study in itself! See my
blog on
that!) By looking at these 17 references we see: it divides
the waters
above from the waters below (Gen. 1:6-7); birds fly in it (Gen. 1:20);
stars
are in it (Gen. 1:14-18); it shows God's handiwork (Ps. 19:1); We can
praise
God in the firmament (Ps. 150:1); it is associated with a "color of the
terrible crystal, stretched over their heads above" (Ez. 1:22-23); a
throne
(of God?) is above the firmament (Ez. 1:26-27: 10:1); the ones who are
wise
shall shine as the brightness of the firmament (Dan. 12:3)
3. The average age recorded before the flood was 912. After
the flood it
dropped to 600, then 400's then 200's and today very few make it to
100.
Something that GREATLY affected life spans must have happened at the
time of
the flood.
4. The Bible clearly teaches there are three heavens today and Paul was
caught
up to the 3rd one (II Cor. 12:2).
SCIENCE FACTS TO CONSIDER:
1. Fossils of GIANT insects have been found like: 2' grasshoppers, 18"
cockroaches, 3' spiders, 50" dragonflies etc. See Sem. Part 2
for
more on that.
2. Insect size is limited due to their surface area to volume ratio
problem
since they breathe through their skin. For example-a 1 inch
cube has a
volume of 1 cu. in. and a surface area (SA) of 6 sq. inches. 6/1
ratio. A
2 inch cube has a vol. of 8 cu. in. and a SA of 24 sq. in. 3/1
ratio.
Hmmm? If the interior must be supplied with oxygen through
the skin the
bigger it is the more of a problem this becomes. They don't
have enough
surface to supply the air for the volume. Giant insects would
need
greater air pressure or higher oxygen % or both.
3. Air bubbles trapped in amber are often found to have 30-35% oxygen
rather
than the 21% we breathe today. We can reasonably presume the air
trapped is
pre-flood air.
4. An atmosphere of oxygen beyond 35% can create problems but below
that is
beneficial.
5. Hundreds of hospitals and sports teams have hyperbaric chambers to
give
people 100% oxygen under double or triple normal pressure and have
great
results with health and healing.
6. Fossils of giant dinosaurs indicate they had small nostrils and
small
lungs. This would be a problem in today's atmosphere but if
there was
higher % of oxygen or higher pressure (or both) they could breathe just
fine.
7. HUGE bird (and flying insect) fossils have been found. It
would be
difficult if not impossible for them to fly in today's "thin"
atmosphere.
8. Most reptiles never stop growing. If they could live long enough we
would
call them dinosaurs.
9. The earth's magnetic field is getting weaker fast! NASA
estimates it
is losing half of its strength every 800-1400 years. 6,000
years ago it
would have been up to 20 times stronger than it is today. At
this
intensity humans have enough iron in their blood to have a built in
compass and
"feel" which way is North. A built in GPS! You
could
never get lost or disoriented.
10. HUGE inflatable buildings are used all the time. In a
windless
environment they can be held up with very little internal pressure. The
Minnesota Viking's Football Stadium- The Metro dome is inflated.
11. A 3" layer of ice would weigh about 15 pounds /sq. ft. It
would
only take 1.1 ATM (a 10% increase) to support that over the whole earth.
12. Squeezing the current 60 miles of air down to 10 miles inside a
canopy of
ice with metallic strength would be very feasible.
13. Ice at extremely low temperatures becomes laminated, metallic and
magnetic. It becomes a photo-amplifier and will act like a
crystal radio
and change radio waves to audible frequencies. The music of
the
stars? See Job 38:7. See www.creationevidence.org
(P.O. Box 309
Glen Rose, TX 76043; 254-897-3200) for more on that. Magnetic
lines tend
to concentrate in laminated metals.
I would also highly recommend the somewhat technical book
"God
Created the Earth-Genesis of Creation Chemistry" by Dr. Edward
Boudreaux
and Eric Baxter from Rocky Mountain Creation Fellowship, PO Box 3451,
Littleton,
CO 80161; eaboudre@yahoo.com. Their explanation of God using
water
(Genesis 1:2) to form ALL of the elements is fabulous! So is
their
evidence that high temperature, pressure and magnetic fields all
shortened
radioactive element's half lives from billions of years to
minutes! They
calculate that the pressure inside the ice canopy would be about double
what it
is now. That explains a lot of things we find as fossils.
14. Outer space is near absolute 0 Kelvin which is -459.6 F.
15. Greater air pressure creates "thicker" air making it easier for
all insects, birds and even a few fish, snakes and mammals to fly or
soar
through the air. It also allows bigger ones to fly like the
50 ft
wingspan pterodactyls that have been found. They could not fly in
today's
atmosphere.
16. A layer of metallic ice would also filter out many harmful rays
like
ultraviolet (UV) that comes from the sun and can damage skin and body
cells.
17. With uniformly higher pressure world-wide storms and wild weather
would be
impossible. Watch the weather channel-high pressure? Clear
skies.
Low pressure? rain, tornados, hurricanes, thunderstorms etc.
18. The earth may not have been tilted 23.5 degrees like it is
today.
This also evens out the weather to spring like conditions everywhere.
19. Today's atmosphere has .06% Carbon Dioxide (CO2). A 50%
boost to .09%
would make plants grow MUCH faster, bigger and produce more
fruit.
Fossils of club moss are found 150 feet tall. Today they
reach about 1.5
feet. SOMETHING was different!
HISTORY FACTS TO CONSIDER:
1. MANY ancient cultures have legends of a "Golden Age" where people
lived to be 1,000 years old.
2. Many cultures have taught the earth is only a few thousand years old.
3. The Jews taught there was a crystalline canopy over the earth. The
1st
century Jewish historian Josephus said, "After this, on the second day,
He
placed the heavens over the whole world, and separated it from the
other parts:
and determined that it should stand by itself. He also placed
a
crystalline firmament around it, and put together in a manner agreeable
to the
earth, and fitted it for giving moisture and rain, and for affording
the
advantage of dews." Flavius Josephus, Antiquity of the Jews, Book 1,
Chapter 1.
4. Another Jewish text states, "and God made the firmament, its
thickness
being three fingers between (separating) the limits of the heavens
(atmosphere)
and the waters of the oceans." J. Bowers, D. S. Joanthgan translation,
The
Taroums and Rabbinin Literature, Cambridge University Press, 1969, P.
95.
(My three fingers total 2.4 inches in thickness.)
So, Here is the "Hovind version" of the "canopy theory."
I believe God created everything in 6 literal 24 hours days
exactly as
recorded in Genesis 1 in the KJB. In verse one there was just the earth
and one
"heaven." Starting in v. 6 God began dividing the heaven into
3
heavens by placing a "crystalline sphere" above the first heaven
(atmosphere) and then another one above the second heaven where the
stars are
(Ps. 148:4). The first canopy fell down or condensed at the
flood and the
second "canopy" is still there beyond the stars. The entire
universe that we marvel at is probably a little snow globe on God's
dresser. In the Wizard of OZ the witch watched Dorothy in one
of those.
Hmmm? Satan always imitates the Most High. See Isaiah 14:13-14.
This first canopy made in Gen. 1:6-7 was probably super cold
(-450F?)
perfectly clear crystalline ice about 3 inches thick and maybe 10 miles
above
the ground but containing all the atmosphere. 3" of ice
weighs about
15 lbs/sq ft so 1.1 atmospheres would support it without the magnetic
field
helping. However, it was probably also held up by the earth's
magnetic
field which was MUCH stronger 6,000 years ago.
The second "Canopy" is probably also clear crystalline ice
beyond the stars and is still there today. See. EZ.
1:22-27. No one
knows where space ends. I think God did that so we would say,
like David
in Ps. 8, When I consider the heavens...what is man...?
The Bible clearly teaches there was water UNDER the crust of
the earth in
Ps. 24:1-2; 33:7; 136:7. Earth's crust varies from 3-25 miles
thick
today. This water under the crust came gushing out like water
out of a
womb (Job 38:8) when the fountains of the great deep broke open in
Genesis
7:11. THIS is where the flood water AND the 40 days of rain
came
from!
The crust of the earth would sink into the void as the water
left further
flooding the surface and trapping huge pockets of hot water that STILL
shoot up
into the bottom of the ocean in tens of thousands of hot water springs
along
the mid-Atlantic ridge and various fault lines. God asked Job
if he had
entered into the springs of the sea (38:16). These were not
discovered
until 1977! More about the waters under the crust in Appendix
2 of my book
"What on Earth is About to Happen for Heaven's Sake?" (due out in
March, 2013) or in Creation Seminar Part 6 and in Dr. Walt Brown's
book,
"In the Beginning".
The crust sinking in would also speed up the earth's
spin. Maybe
there were 360 days/year originally and 365.2422 today? THAT
would
explain ancient calendars and other phenomenon-but that's for another
book!
Japan's 2011 tsunami and underwater land slide sped up the earth
1/1000th of a
second.
Under the first canopy of ice the people, plants and animals
would live
MUCH longer and grow MUCH bigger! Fossils of giant animals
have been
found like: 6' beavers, 1,500 lb guinea pigs, 15' tall camels, 10'
Kangaroos
and 50' crocodiles. Reptiles which never stop growing would
become dinosaurs.
Adam and Eve could see the stars MUCH more clearly and even
hear the
music of the stars as they sang together. Job 38:7.
The flood began with the fountains of the deep breaking open.
(Gen. 7:11;
8:2; Pro. 8:28). Dr. Walt Brown offers convincing evidence
that 10 miles
of rock on top of the subterranean waters (which would have a pressure
of about
10 million pounds/square foot) would jet water, mud and rock into
orbit!
The canopy of ice may have been destroyed and collapsed at this
time. 3
inches of ice would contribute VERY little to the flood itself.
Both the waters above and most of the waters below are now on
the
surface. Oceans cover 70% of the earth God created to be
inhabited.
Redistributing this mass of rock and water may have caused the earth to
wobble
and SLOWLY change its tilt from maybe 0 degrees (causing more uniform
spring-like temperatures from pole to pole preflood) to 23.5 degrees
today
(which causes our seasons). Hmmm??
SUMMARY
Tom, thanks for reading this LONG post. I pray it will better
explain my
position and passion for the Word of God. Please post it or
print it if
you like. Your magazine is a GREAT blessing to many and makes
and
EXCELLENT gift for those wondering how they can influence others for
Christ. I pray that MANY who read my blogs will go to
www.creationillustrated.com and get a subscription for themselves and a
loved
one. I'm sorry the article by Paul made me give this public
response. I'd sure much rather solve differences without the
whole world
watching if possible but it was too late for that this time.
Eric (and Paul and any who have ears to hear), the two MAJOR reasons
some
otherwise intelligent fellow creationists do NOT believe there was a
canopy
above the originally created atmosphere is because:
1. they are not studying the right Bible and
2. they have the wrong canopy model.
1. As we have seen, some don't believe they have God's exact Words to
even
begin to evaluate the canopy topic or, if they have His Words they
don't trust
them or feel that they must submit to them. In every article
I have read
by those who oppose the idea of a canopy above the atmosphere the
author is
always changing the words in Genesis from the KJB to fit his theory
rather than
changing his theory to fit the Word of God.
Hundreds of great books have been written on the
King James topic
already. I implore you to study this topic. You
will NEED a SOLID
WORD to hold to in the tribulation time that is coming here
soon. I can
clearly remember the feeling I got in about 1998 or so when, after
pouring
scores of hours into the study of the issue, I became convinced by the
overwhelming evidence that God DID preserve His Words as He promised He
would
in Ps. 12:6-7. I remember when I knelt by my bed and held my
Bible and
looked at it for a minute as my rebellious spirit softened.
Finally I
prayed, "Lord, I'm sorry for the way I have treated Your Word all these
years. I have always been quick to adjust it or change it if
I felt the
need to make it match what I believed or wanted to believe. I
felt
superior to Your Word rather than trusting it as my inflexible perfect
standard. Starting today It is my master, I am not its
master.
Thank you for all the millions of saints over the years who have given
their
lives so I can hold a copy of your perfect Word. Please guide
me as I
preach to defend it against all attacks. In Jesus' Name.
Amen."
Once you get the issue settled that we have the
Perfect Word of
God, the rest is easy. Just read it and try to rightly divide
it.
You can't even read 7 WORDS into the various Bible versions before
there is a
profound difference! KJB says "heaven" and almost all the
others say "heavens." Somebody is WRONG! Ditto with
the
canopy teaching. The Bible could not be more clear when it
says there was
water ABOVE the firmament (Gen. 1:6-7). Verse 20 is clear
that the
firmament is where the birds fly-i.e. the atmosphere. If
there was no
canopy what does that mean?
I'm not sure which part of the word "above" the critics
don't
understand. Is it the "a" part or the "bove"
part? These verses CANNOT be referring to clouds IN the
atmosphere or
"across the face of" or "the stretching" like some
foolishly claim. The Bible does NOT say there was 20 feet of
water up
there. Nor does it say the flood water came from the water
above the
heaven. We covered that. It came from INSIDE the
earth.
If the Word says it, we are to believe it even if
it has no
scientific explanation. I believe in the creation,
resurrection and all
the miracles WITHOUT any scientific explanation. It is the
same with the
idea of "water above the firmament." I believe it because it
says it. Now, with that said, that does NOT mean I cannot try
to study
and understand HOW God did it. He WANTS us to "study to shew
ourselves approved unto God." I try HARD to do
that! I know
you do too.
I think anyone is authorized to give their "opinion" or
"theories" about what God's Word says and means (but keep James 3:1
in mind!) but they are NOT authorized to "change the Words"
themselves and THEN give their ideas about what THEIR translation says
or
means. The Word says there was water above the
firmament. That
issue is closed for me.
The New King James (NKJV) Paul used to critique the canopy
also says
people "are being saved" (Catholic teaching) rather than "are
saved" (KJB) in I Cor. 1:18. Is Jesus God's SON (KJB Acts
3:26) or
His Servant (NKJV)? Will God provide Himself as the lamb (Gen
22:8) which
has a double meaning or does God need to provide FOR Himself a lamb as
if He
sinned and needs a sacrifice (NKJV)? Did God tell Noah to
COME into the
ark (God's inside and going with on the trip) Gen. 7:1 KJB or GO into
the ark
(NIV) like, "see ya later Noah-hope ya make it?" This Bible
version issue is MUCH more serious than most realize. PLEASE
seek His
face on it Eric and Paul (and all others!)
2. They are studying the wrong model. Jesus' critics said no
prophet
comes from Galilee. (Jn. 7:52) They challenged those who
believed he was
a prophet to go home and study for themselves! They were
searching in
vain for the wrong thing! Jesus was born in Bethlehem but
raised in
Nazareth. I think Paul may have rightly criticized flaws with
some older
canopy models but he threw out the baby with the bath water.
More and
more evidence is coming in to support the idea of a 3" canopy of super
cold ice above the atmosphere. This would be true to the
Bible AND answer
loads of questions about the world and the pre-flood world.
I may not have all the details about the water above the
firmament
perfect myself. I would gladly hear any reasonable criticism
of my canopy
theory. It may need to be adjusted and modified many
times. That is
fine if it stays in the parameters of God's infallible Word.
I started
with assumption that I held the perfect Word and sought for a model
that would
stay true to that standard. I think the God who sees the
heart will like
that. I suggest you do the same.
Kent Hovind
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